Obscured by Clouds: Underrated?

Okay no, the guys on ChebuRussia did it and they had absolutley no problem with the police. It's not illegal to be gay in Russia, that's not true at all, I don't know where you heard that from, because I know many openly gay people/activists from Russia/in Russia. The police are at every single parade dude, they're supposed to be there to guard the people. Putin himself has not personally gone up and silenced journalists has he. Don't blame all problems of Russia on one man. Yes, I'll admit he supposedly banned "gay propaganda" or something, but again, that's him appealing to the masses again. 

Silencing journalists is dictatorship? You know a lot of countries "silence journalists" and they're not a 'dictatorship'. The concept of dictatorship is not "silencing journalists", alright? It has to be much more than that. What the police do is not up to the control of Putin, the police are selected by their departments run by a seperate ministry. Again, don't blame him for everything the police does. It's the bias of the people because of society. Putin wasn't the one who created an anti-gay atmosphere in the first place. Sure, he might've pushed it a bit but he never certainly created it. 

Putin doesn't care about the Russian people? He's done very much for the Russian people, how about improving their economy and strengthening Russia? He's actually one of those leaders who does everything by the "book" (law). He may have hid some stuff but at the very least he didn't lie. 

By the way, there's a lot of gay communities in Russia. Hm? 

Finally, this is the most trivial issue that's bothering Russia right now. They have problems with the economy with global relations with that whole Turkey thing, gay people are the least of their concerns right now. Putin doesn't care and Russia doesn't care and I personally don't care either. In some countries like the US, yes, they're already economically stable, focusing on social rights of the people would be a good thing. In Russia, a developing country, the economy is more important than some trivial social issue that only affects a minority of the population. 

That's a boo boo on the police's part. I don't understand how Russian police could respond like that to ultranationalists beating up gay activists when they literally beat up a racist protest. I don't know if this is bias or whatever, but this has got to stop. I agree.

Putin isn't going to waste time checking every police station in Russia to make sure they haven't done anything wrong, that would be a waste of taxpayer money that could be used in other things. Putin doesn't really "lie" to the people, does he? Yes, he does push a very heavy anti-western agenda, but that's just how Russia works. The Russian people will support the views of their country (aside from a few) no matter what Putin says. Firstly, about the gay people part I suppose I agree, but again, he has other things to worry about. As for the racism issue I think the general atmosphere is that Putin is very tough on them but don't want to send them to jail, I'm guessing because freedom of speech. For the most part he's done a VERY good job in getting hate crime out of Russia, and he busted a lot of Neo-Nazis in Moscow (although I think they hang around in St. Peter now). 

There are numerous occassions where Neo-Nazis have beaten up gay people in Russia. It doesn't happen every day however. Now, firstly I'd like to say of course, Russia should be protecting the rights of their minorities as much as they can, but you blow up the issue way out of proportion. Yes, Neo Nazis attack people, but that sort of thing happens in every country. Even in developed nations like Norway and Sweden, you really think gay-hating Neo-Nazis don't exist? They do. The problem is with the police like you said. BUT the policemen are grown up, again, in an atmosphere of homophobia and that's why they grow up to become people like this. What do you suggest Russia does to change the mindset of the 100+ million people in Russia? Start handing out LGBT "propaganda"? 

Is this not a major concern? To Putin it isn't. To the west it is. To Putin, what's important is Russia's economy all that stuff, which, again, I mentioned, that's a flaw, he should care more about his citizens, but whatever, at the very least he's doing well in the economy. The west tends to bloat everything to a ridiculous degree. I read on multiple news sources that Russian Nationalists "tied up a dagestani man and killed them" and "murdered a muslim 9 year old girl" and people were saying stuff like "If you're black don't go to Russia, they'll beat you up", and posting videos of Asian people getting attacked and making it seem like the norm in Russia. This is not true at all. People in Russia honestly don't care if you're black or if you're white, and anyone who lives in Russia can tell you that. 

The same thing happens with the LGBT community. The western media takes one event and makes it seem like the norm in Russia to murder gay people on the streets when that's really not the case. There are some extreme cases, yes, and there's an atmosphere of homophobia, yes, but violence against them is not a common site on the streets and many of the younger generation (20 somethings) don't care if you're gay or not, trust me, I read Russian articles. 

In fact, let me introduce you to another hell, there's a group called "Occupy Pedophilia" or "Occupy Pedophiles" or something, I forgot, and what they do is they essentially do the Chris Hansen thing of tricking some pedophile blah blah blah. But the thing is apparently there's footage of these guys breaking in (well, inviting themselves over) to gay people's houses and humiliating them. Now I never saw a video of this but in a news broadcast I saw a clip of it, and it was infuriating. This is the kind of mentality I'm talking about. 

So first and foremost the thing that needs to change is "mentality and atmosphere", which again, is slowly changing by itself with the young generation, but I agree, if the government perhaps provides more support towards the community than this change can be exponentially faster. But again, don't think that Russians are fine with murdering minorities on the streets. That doesn't happen often. 

Let's not get disgusted at the country Russia. The people can be very nice and many of my friends are Russians.
Undoubtly it's also a beautiful nation with a long and interesting history.
But again, Russian politicians are some of the worst.

There's a famous meme in Russia that goes: "I am proud of being Russian, but I am not proud of Russia". Perhaps this applies here. 

yea, well, blame the mentality of the soviet union and the church mate. 

Well it all came from somewhere didn't it? 

Fair enough point. 

The Final Cut led to the Thatcher discussion, no? 

Just the way you like it, eh?

Well I think our conversations take a natural turn. That's not a bad thing eh? 

Not at all; the conversation took its natural course. If it doesn't do that, it'll stagnate and die

Oftentimes the case with me and girls. Lol

Well you don't exactly try, to be fair

At some point you get tired of trying. 

Perhaps if you took new advice and implemented them, you may yield different results