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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:13:55 GMT 10
I think it's a great album What tracks did you like off of it? Perhaps it was a little too boring for me, considering it had a lot of rather "stationary" instrumental tracks and all. Well I guess first I'll explain why I like Momentary Lapse. First off I completely understand why those who love Floyd at their best would hear Momentary and just think " these guys made Dark Side of the Moon and this is the best they came up with?" And just dismiss it as an average, rather mediocre waste of time. It definitely is a pale shadow of their former self and some of the tracks are just not that good. Also the production occasionally is a bit intrusive and I can see why some won't like how of its time it is though to be fair the dates production comes down to preference more than anything, it generally doesn't get in the way that much. However I see some of the good aspects of it and personally I think the good aspects are strong enough to make it worth listening to. For one the diverse range of instrumentation and the way it's layered brings the babd back to the mid 70s era when they really knew how to blend sounds. This was sorely missing from the more Roger-dominated album. Also it cuts out conceptual themes which I appreciate. I think Roger completely lost his ability to be subtle on The Final Cut, an album that has some terrific moments but ultimately feels like Roger arrogantly imposing his political views on the listener without any regards to refinement or control. Yes Margaret Thatcher had her fair share of negative effects on Britain Roger, I can agree to that. I do see some of her tough decisions as fair and recognise a few strengths many disagree with but there were people who were effected by her policies in disastrously tragic ways and I can understand why many hate her. Yet that doesn't make up for awful writing. Much like politics when something goes to far in one direction it tends to sway to the other. Is Momentary a bit of an over correction? Maybe so. Yet the more simplistic lyrical content was a positive idea for me. Also the stripped down arrangements of The Final Cut were often painfully boring and even The Wall has some poor songwriting choices. I think the bigger arrangements on Momentary kept me interested more. Finally Momentary was the most atmospheric release since Animals, maybe even since Wish You Were Here. It's far from their best work but I enjoy it. Now moving on to The Division Bell, that hada more timeless recording quality (with a couple exceltions) and seemed to lack the overcorrections that Momentary made.
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Post by meddle on Dec 18, 2016 23:51:24 GMT 10
Hey now i like both the new machines and A momentary lapse of reason and the division bell
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:58:21 GMT 10
Hey now i like both the new machines and A momentary lapse of reason and the division bell Yeah but you like everything Pink Floyd touched with a ten inch pole.
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Post by meddle on Dec 19, 2016 0:17:52 GMT 10
Hey now i like both the new machines and A momentary lapse of reason and the division bell Yeah but you like everything Pink Floyd touched with a ten inch pole. Yes, i enjoy all eras of pink floyd I'm not a huge fan overall of the Saucer full of secrets
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:21:11 GMT 10
What tracks did you like off of it? Perhaps it was a little too boring for me, considering it had a lot of rather "stationary" instrumental tracks and all. Well I guess first I'll explain why I like Momentary Lapse. First off I completely understand why those who love Floyd at their best would hear Momentary and just think " these guys made Dark Side of the Moon and this is the best they came up with?" And just dismiss it as an average, rather mediocre waste of time. It definitely is a pale shadow of their former self and some of the tracks are just not that good. Also the production occasionally is a bit intrusive and I can see why some won't like how of its time it is though to be fair the dates production comes down to preference more than anything, it generally doesn't get in the way that much. However I see some of the good aspects of it and personally I think the good aspects are strong enough to make it worth listening to. For one the diverse range of instrumentation and the way it's layered brings the babd back to the mid 70s era when they really knew how to blend sounds. This was sorely missing from the more Roger-dominated album. Also it cuts out conceptual themes which I appreciate. I think Roger completely lost his ability to be subtle on The Final Cut, an album that has some terrific moments but ultimately feels like Roger arrogantly imposing his political views on the listener without any regards to refinement or control. Yes Margaret Thatcher had her fair share of negative effects on Britain Roger, I can agree to that. I do see some of her tough decisions as fair and recognise a few strengths many disagree with but there were people who were effected by her policies in disastrously tragic ways and I can understand why many hate her. Yet that doesn't make up for awful writing. Much like politics when something goes to far in one direction it tends to sway to the other. Is Momentary a bit of an over correction? Maybe so. Yet the more simplistic lyrical content was a positive idea for me. Also the stripped down arrangements of The Final Cut were often painfully boring and even The Wall has some poor songwriting choices. I think the bigger arrangements on Momentary kept me interested more. Finally Momentary was the most atmospheric release since Animals, maybe even since Wish You Were Here. It's far from their best work but I enjoy it. Now moving on to The Division Bell, that hada more timeless recording quality (with a couple exceltions) and seemed to lack the overcorrections that Momentary made. I enjoyed Momentary Lapse I suppose, but the thing is it pales it comparison, like you said, to the earlier stuff they've done. I really really really loved the Final Cut, I went into that album with low expectations thinking that it would be some mediocre album because everyone said it sucked, but I was so blown away and that was the first album that had me at the verge of crying. It may haven't been as "subtle"? I guess? But it definatley left such an imact on me. For some reason I get what you're saying about it being atmospheric but I guess it just wasn't as interesting as Wish You Were Here to keep me in the running. But at the very least the album had some interesting and enjoyable tracks, I felt like Division Bell was honestly just Pink Floyd returning back to their Ummagumma stage. The songs on the album, were by no means terrible, but I felt like they lost their touch with that one, especially after Roger.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:21:39 GMT 10
Hey now i like both the new machines and A momentary lapse of reason and the division bell Yeah but you like everything Pink Floyd touched with a ten inch pole. Lol WTF Kelan. Pretty sure meddle doesn't like ALL SONGS by Floyd...Lol
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 0:22:47 GMT 10
Sorrow? Signs of Life? Terminal Frost? All strong tracks. None of these did anything for me, though I will admit One Slip had potential
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 0:25:35 GMT 10
Yeah but you like everything Pink Floyd touched with a ten inch pole. Yes, i enjoy all eras of pink floyd I'm not a huge fan overall of the Saucer full of secrets Thought you really like Saucerful? Also didn't you go on record as to claiming that The Final Cut's your least favourite Floyd album?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:26:52 GMT 10
I think The Final Cut's just really bland and boring and dull and lifeless and uninteresting. There's nothing to it. There are more good tracks than people it credit for though. It's a mixed bag so there is actually quite a few great songs and I admit the construction of the story is quite breathtaking but Roger's deconstruction of Thatcherism can't compare to Billy Bragg's songs about her (which I again sometimes agree with, sometimes disagree with, but in the case of Bragg I always enjoy listening to).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:27:16 GMT 10
Yes, i enjoy all eras of pink floyd I'm not a huge fan overall of the Saucer full of secrets Thought you really like Saucerful? Also didn't you go on record as to claiming that The Final Cut's your least favourite Floyd album? What??? Meddle mate, I thought Saucerful was awesome, and Final Cut...Was mind-blowing.
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Post by meddle on Dec 19, 2016 0:34:23 GMT 10
Yes, i enjoy all eras of pink floyd I'm not a huge fan overall of the Saucer full of secrets Thought you really like Saucerful? Also didn't you go on record as to claiming that The Final Cut's your least favourite Floyd album? I just can't get into Saucerfull any more. I have a new appreciation for The Final cut
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:43:01 GMT 10
Thought you really like Saucerful? Also didn't you go on record as to claiming that The Final Cut's your least favourite Floyd album? I just can't get into Saucerfull any more. I have a new appreciation for The Final cut So those two are essentially the only Floyd albums you don't like?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:44:12 GMT 10
I think The Final Cut's just really bland and boring and dull and lifeless and uninteresting. There's nothing to it. There are more good tracks than people it credit for though. It's a mixed bag so there is actually quite a few great songs and I admit the construction of the story is quite breathtaking but Roger's deconstruction of Thatcherism can't compare to Billy Bragg's songs about her (which I again sometimes agree with, sometimes disagree with, but in the case of Bragg I always enjoy listening to). Nothing to say Mr. Fellatio?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:45:43 GMT 10
I think The Final Cut's just really bland and boring and dull and lifeless and uninteresting. There's nothing to it. There are more good tracks than people it credit for though. It's a mixed bag so there is actually quite a few great songs and I admit the construction of the story is quite breathtaking but Roger's deconstruction of Thatcherism can't compare to Billy Bragg's songs about her (which I again sometimes agree with, sometimes disagree with, but in the case of Bragg I always enjoy listening to). Nothing to say Mr. Fellatio? Didn't see the post lol. I can see why you can call it bland and boring, there's not that much variety in the tracks and each of them seem to be about the same both in story and in quality one another, but at least for me in worked, it nearly brought me to tears and it struck a chord with me, so each to their own I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:49:12 GMT 10
Nothing to say Mr. Fellatio? Didn't see the post lol. I can see why you can call it bland and boring, there's not that much variety in the tracks and each of them seem to be about the same both in story and in quality one another, but at least for me in worked, it nearly brought me to tears and it struck a chord with me, so each to their own I suppose. Well i'm glad you received such a powerful experience from it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:50:29 GMT 10
Didn't see the post lol. I can see why you can call it bland and boring, there's not that much variety in the tracks and each of them seem to be about the same both in story and in quality one another, but at least for me in worked, it nearly brought me to tears and it struck a chord with me, so each to their own I suppose. Well i'm glad you received such a powerful experience from it. Yea, not many albums did that for me. Except for that one Russell Morris song, but then again I was going through some hard times back then...
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 1:17:20 GMT 10
I think The Final Cut's just really bland and boring and dull and lifeless and uninteresting. There's nothing to it. There are more good tracks than people it credit for though. It's a mixed bag so there is actually quite a few great songs and I admit the construction of the story is quite breathtaking but Roger's deconstruction of Thatcherism can't compare to Billy Bragg's songs about her (which I again sometimes agree with, sometimes disagree with, but in the case of Bragg I always enjoy listening to). One thing it's not is lifeless - Vocally Roger is at his peak here. Amazing stuff
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 1:17:49 GMT 10
Well i'm glad you received such a powerful experience from it. Yea, not many albums did that for me. Except for that one Russell Morris song, but then again I was going through some hard times back then... If I recall, wasn't it two Russell Morris songs? Lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 1:18:08 GMT 10
I think The Final Cut's just really bland and boring and dull and lifeless and uninteresting. There's nothing to it. There are more good tracks than people it credit for though. It's a mixed bag so there is actually quite a few great songs and I admit the construction of the story is quite breathtaking but Roger's deconstruction of Thatcherism can't compare to Billy Bragg's songs about her (which I again sometimes agree with, sometimes disagree with, but in the case of Bragg I always enjoy listening to). One thing it's not is lifeless - Vocally Roger is at his peak here. Amazing stuff Lol I nearly quit listening to Radio KAOS because his vocals were just terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 1:18:30 GMT 10
Yea, not many albums did that for me. Except for that one Russell Morris song, but then again I was going through some hard times back then... If I recall, wasn't it two Russell Morris songs? Lol yea but the sweet sweet love one made me cry first mate lol
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 1:32:22 GMT 10
One thing it's not is lifeless - Vocally Roger is at his peak here. Amazing stuff Lol I nearly quit listening to Radio KAOS because his vocals were just terrible. Yeah, it's a shame because I thought the album was very good otherwise. Pros and Cons was the last album with his classic voice - I don't know what happened between that and KAOS, but his voice really took a turn for the worse during that period
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 1:33:14 GMT 10
If I recall, wasn't it two Russell Morris songs? Lol yea but the sweet sweet love one made me cry first mate lol The other one being The Girl That I Love - though I'm not quite sure whether it was that or Sweet Sweet Love that made you go the full De Niro
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 1:33:16 GMT 10
I think The Final Cut's just really bland and boring and dull and lifeless and uninteresting. There's nothing to it. There are more good tracks than people it credit for though. It's a mixed bag so there is actually quite a few great songs and I admit the construction of the story is quite breathtaking but Roger's deconstruction of Thatcherism can't compare to Billy Bragg's songs about her (which I again sometimes agree with, sometimes disagree with, but in the case of Bragg I always enjoy listening to). One thing it's not is lifeless - Vocally Roger is at his peak here. Amazing stuff One thing it is, is lifeless. "One of the Few", "Paranoid Eyes", "Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert", "The Fletcher Memorial Home" and "Southampton Dock" are all horrendously boring and sparse arrangements. Roger's vocals may be decent on a few of these (it's been a while) but it's mostly whispery and dull. I will admit that "The Post War Dream" a song I do not care for (completely overblown and absurd) has a terrific vocal performance from Roger. It doesn't save the song but it helps it. Still on the whole Roger's vocals here are hit or miss. When they're good, I agree they're the best he's ever been. When they're bad, they're oh so boring.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 1:34:17 GMT 10
Lol I nearly quit listening to Radio KAOS because his vocals were just terrible. Yeah, it's a shame because I thought the album was very good otherwise. Pros and Cons was the last album with his classic voice - I don't know what happened between that and KAOS, but his voice really took a turn for the worse during that period Pros and Cons I still haven't listned to, only listned to Strangers Eyes, which was pretty good, but not too sure about the rest of the album.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 1:35:27 GMT 10
One thing it's not is lifeless - Vocally Roger is at his peak here. Amazing stuff One thing it is, is lifeless. "One of the Few", "Paranoid Eyes", "Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert", "The Fletcher Memorial Home" and "Southampton Dock" are all horrendously boring and sparse arrangements. Roger's vocals may be decent on a few of these (it's been a while) but it's mostly whispery and dull. I will admit that "The Post War Dream" a song I do not care for (completely overblown and absurd) has a terrific vocal performance from Roger. It doesn't save the song but it helps it. Still on the whole Roger's vocals here are hit or miss. When they're good, I agree they're the best he's ever been. When they're bad, they're oh so boring. "One of the Few" was a terrible song, aside from that, I thought all the other songs you mentioned actually had an emotional value to it, especially considering Southampton Dock pretty much just ties in with the title track. The Fletcher Memorial Home was pretty bland until the last part.
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 1:40:18 GMT 10
One thing it's not is lifeless - Vocally Roger is at his peak here. Amazing stuff One thing it is, is lifeless. "One of the Few", "Paranoid Eyes", "Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert", " The Fletcher Memorial Home" and "Southampton Dock" are all horrendously boring and sparse arrangements. Roger's vocals may be decent on a few of these (it's been a while) but it's mostly whispery and dull. I will admit that "The Post War Dream" a song I do not care for (completely overblown and absurd) has a terrific vocal performance from Roger. It doesn't save the song but it helps it. Still on the whole Roger's vocals here are hit or miss. When they're good, I agree they're the best he's ever been. When they're bad, they're oh so boring. How dare you pair "The Fletcher Memorial Home" with this admittedly mediocre lot
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 1:41:36 GMT 10
Yeah, it's a shame because I thought the album was very good otherwise. Pros and Cons was the last album with his classic voice - I don't know what happened between that and KAOS, but his voice really took a turn for the worse during that period Pros and Cons I still haven't listned to, only listned to Strangers Eyes, which was pretty good, but not too sure about the rest of the album. That's a surprise - give it a listen when you get the chance. That reminds me - Kelan, I'm still waiting for you to check out Barrett
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 1:41:38 GMT 10
One thing it is, is lifeless. "One of the Few", "Paranoid Eyes", "Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert", " The Fletcher Memorial Home" and "Southampton Dock" are all horrendously boring and sparse arrangements. Roger's vocals may be decent on a few of these (it's been a while) but it's mostly whispery and dull. I will admit that "The Post War Dream" a song I do not care for (completely overblown and absurd) has a terrific vocal performance from Roger. It doesn't save the song but it helps it. Still on the whole Roger's vocals here are hit or miss. When they're good, I agree they're the best he's ever been. When they're bad, they're oh so boring. How dare you pair "The Fletcher Memorial Home" with this admittedly mediocre lot It was honestly pretty bland mate. As meaningful as it was.
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 1:43:52 GMT 10
How dare you pair "The Fletcher Memorial Home" with this admittedly mediocre lot It was honestly pretty bland mate. As meaningful as it was. I can't agree with that honestly - it's another song that's saved by Roger's vocal performance. Plus the lyrics are pretty interesting here as well - particularly when he called out all those world leaders, and of course the ending
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 1:45:25 GMT 10
It was honestly pretty bland mate. As meaningful as it was. I can't agree with that honestly - it's another song that's saved by Roger's vocal performance. Plus the lyrics are pretty interesting here as well - particularly when he called out all those world leaders, and of course the ending The chorus is quite a weird vocal performance. Not necessarily bad but it doesn't click with me.
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