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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 18, 2016 19:54:19 GMT 10
The title says it all. Who do you think was the true King - if there ever was one? Or at the very least, which artist do you think is most deserving of such an accolade?
Put down in the comment section who you chose and why.
I'll get things rolling by choosing Chuck Berry - his music is probably the most quintessential example of rock and roll, and he was also the one who did the most to sing its praises (with songs such as "Rock And Roll Music"). As John Lennon said "If you tried to give rock and roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'". Furthermore, Chuck wrote virtually all his iconic hits, and despite being around 30 when he made it big he was able to give teenagers of the time a voice, with songs such as "School Days" and "Sweet Little Sixteen". Of course, let's not forget his guitar work - unquestionably the most influential guitarist of the rock and roll era, and one of the most important guitarists in rock history. As much as I hate to quote him, Ted Nugent did have a point when he said "If you don't know every Chuck Berry lick, you can't play rock guitar".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 21:37:55 GMT 10
The title says it all. Who do you think was the true King - if there ever was one? Or at the very least, which artist do you think is most deserving of such an accolade? Put down in the comment section who you chose and why. I'll get things rolling by choosing Chuck Berry - his music is probably the most quintessential example of rock and roll, and he was also the one who did the most to sing its praises (with songs such as "Rock And Roll Music"). As John Lennon said "If you tried to give rock and roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'". Furthermore, Chuck wrote virtually all his iconic hits, and despite being around 30 when he made it big he was able to give teenagers of the time a voice, with songs such as "School Days" and "Sweet Little Sixteen". Of course, let's not forget his guitar work - unquestionably the most influential guitarist of the rock and roll era, and one of the most important guitarists in rock history. As much as I hate to quote him, Ted Nugent did have a point when he said "If you don't know every Chuck Berry lick, you can't play rock guitar". Seriously you're putting jokes in here. Pat Boone is a crooner who once but out a traditional pop/vocal jazz album covering rock and metal songs in that style, whereas Fred Durst is a rapper who fronted a metal band who some argue was merely rock. And yes there is a key difference between rock, and rock and roll. Let's limit this to the 50s-early 60s. As for King of Rock and Roll, I honestly don't think we can fairly choose one. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 21:38:37 GMT 10
Johnny Cash is a bit of a stretch as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 21:58:50 GMT 10
Johnny Cash really doesnt' deserve to be up there. It should be Berry respectably, his songs I feel were the most iconic.
But I'm just gonna choose Fred Durst cause why not
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 18, 2016 22:08:50 GMT 10
The title says it all. Who do you think was the true King - if there ever was one? Or at the very least, which artist do you think is most deserving of such an accolade? Put down in the comment section who you chose and why. I'll get things rolling by choosing Chuck Berry - his music is probably the most quintessential example of rock and roll, and he was also the one who did the most to sing its praises (with songs such as "Rock And Roll Music"). As John Lennon said "If you tried to give rock and roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'". Furthermore, Chuck wrote virtually all his iconic hits, and despite being around 30 when he made it big he was able to give teenagers of the time a voice, with songs such as "School Days" and "Sweet Little Sixteen". Of course, let's not forget his guitar work - unquestionably the most influential guitarist of the rock and roll era, and one of the most important guitarists in rock history. As much as I hate to quote him, Ted Nugent did have a point when he said "If you don't know every Chuck Berry lick, you can't play rock guitar". Seriously you're putting jokes in here. Pat Boone is a crooner who once but out a traditional pop/vocal jazz album covering rock and metal songs in that style, whereas Fred Durst is a rapper who fronted a metal band who some argue was merely rock. And yes there is a key difference between rock, and rock and roll. Let's limit this to the 50s-early 60s. As for King of Rock and Roll, I honestly don't think we can fairly choose one. I'll admit that yes, there is a joke option. Pat Boone is in no way rock and roll despite making it big over doing covers of them. Fred Durst was totally worth it - he has a real claim to be the King, and I'm sure you're glad that I included him as an option  In all seriousness though the rest are genuine options. I only included the gag ones so as not to take things too seriously - essentially to lighten things up BMJPFF style. Johnny Cash I can see why you'd have doubts but like it or not he is constantly cited as a rock and roll artist - and a major one at that. Personally I think he's a borderline case - though I think he's significant enough to warrant inclusion. Plus it adds variety to the rock and roll spectrum. As for your final comment, fair enough. But the point of the thread is for you to express who you personally view as the "King", rather than the general opinion. |
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 18, 2016 22:10:52 GMT 10
Johnny Cash really doesnt' deserve to be up there. It should be Berry respectably, his songs I feel were the most iconic. But I'm just gonna choose Fred Durst cause why not Agreed r.e. Berry. I get why you'd choose Durst - and I'm sure Kelan would approve. But really that vote belongs to Chuck Berry, going by what you said |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 22:18:20 GMT 10
Johnny Cash really doesnt' deserve to be up there. It should be Berry respectably, his songs I feel were the most iconic. But I'm just gonna choose Fred Durst cause why not Agreed r.e. Berry. I get why you'd choose Durst - and I'm sure Kelan would approve. But really that vote belongs to Chuck Berry, going by what you said Yea, so I'm going to choose Chuck Berry because he's probably the most recognizable figure in Rock. People like Cash have good songs, but they didn't have the big cultural imact that Chuck did. As for Durst, just to see the shock on Kelan's face  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 22:43:17 GMT 10
Seriously you're putting jokes in here. Pat Boone is a crooner who once but out a traditional pop/vocal jazz album covering rock and metal songs in that style, whereas Fred Durst is a rapper who fronted a metal band who some argue was merely rock. And yes there is a key difference between rock, and rock and roll. Let's limit this to the 50s-early 60s. As for King of Rock and Roll, I honestly don't think we can fairly choose one. I'll admit that yes, there is a joke option. Pat Boone is in no way rock and roll despite making it big over doing covers of them. Fred Durst was totally worth it - he has a real claim to be the King, and I'm sure you're glad that I included him as an option In all seriousness though the rest are genuine options. I only included the gag ones so as not to take things too seriously - essentially to lighten things up BMJPFF style. Johnny Cash I can see why you'd have doubts but like it or not he is constantly cited as a rock and roll artist - and a major one at that. Personally I think he's a borderline case - though I think he's significant enough to warrant inclusion. Plus it adds variety to the rock and roll spectrum. As for your final comment, fair enough. But the point of the thread is for you to express who you personally view as the "King", rather than the general opinion. Cash is generally classed as a country icon who has dabbled in other genres. WatchMojo out it best: "Was he rock, no, was he a rock star, absolutely". |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 22:45:10 GMT 10
Seriously guys the Durst jokes are less shocking and more indifferent for me. I stand by that there is no king of Rock and roll. Elvis, Little Richard and Chuck Berry all have equal right to the throne.
As for Cash not having a lasting cultural impact, I have to strongly disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 22:56:22 GMT 10
I'll admit that yes, there is a joke option. Pat Boone is in no way rock and roll despite making it big over doing covers of them. Fred Durst was totally worth it - he has a real claim to be the King, and I'm sure you're glad that I included him as an option In all seriousness though the rest are genuine options. I only included the gag ones so as not to take things too seriously - essentially to lighten things up BMJPFF style. Johnny Cash I can see why you'd have doubts but like it or not he is constantly cited as a rock and roll artist - and a major one at that. Personally I think he's a borderline case - though I think he's significant enough to warrant inclusion. Plus it adds variety to the rock and roll spectrum. As for your final comment, fair enough. But the point of the thread is for you to express who you personally view as the "King", rather than the general opinion. Cash is generally classed as a country icon who has dabbled in other genres. WatchMojo out it best: "Was he rock, no, was he a rock star, absolutely". He's definatley a country artist but I feel like he has aspects of rock. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 22:57:33 GMT 10
Seriously guys the Durst jokes are less shocking and more indifferent for me. I stand by that there is no king of Rock and roll. Elvis, Little Richard and Chuck Berry all have equal right to the throne. As for Cash not having a lasting cultural impact, I have to strongly disagree. I mean, Cash surely did have an impact, no doubt, but it wasn't as big as Elvic or Berry, like you mentioned. Not sure how I feel about Elvis being the king of Rock n' Roll. As culturally important as he was I don't think he's the one who really defined the genre. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 22:57:44 GMT 10
Cash is generally classed as a country icon who has dabbled in other genres. WatchMojo out it best: "Was he rock, no, was he a rock star, absolutely". He's definatley a country artist but I feel like he has aspects of rock. Yeah, true |
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 18, 2016 23:52:52 GMT 10
I stand by that there is no king of Rock and roll. Elvis, Little Richard and Chuck Berry all have equal right to the throne. So this is your personal opinion and personal preference rather than trying to be as fair as possible? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:57:42 GMT 10
I stand by that there is no king of Rock and roll. Elvis, Little Richard and Chuck Berry all have equal right to the throne. So this is your personal opinion and personal preference rather than trying to be as fair as possible? A combination of both factors. |
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 18, 2016 23:58:22 GMT 10
Seriously guys the Durst jokes are less shocking and more indifferent for me. I stand by that there is no king of Rock and roll. Elvis, Little Richard and Chuck Berry all have equal right to the throne. As for Cash not having a lasting cultural impact, I have to strongly disagree. I mean, Cash surely did have an impact, no doubt, but it wasn't as big as Elvic or Berry, like you mentioned. Not sure how I feel about Elvis being the king of Rock n' Roll. As culturally important as he was I don't think he's the one who really defined the genre. Completely agreed with you on Elvis. As for Cash, I just want to add that although he is first and foremost a country musician, he did embrace the rock and roll (as well as rockabilly) sound as well as others. Plus as many people have said about Cash, he can't be exclusively identified as one genre. |
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 18, 2016 23:59:24 GMT 10
So this is your personal opinion and personal preference rather than trying to be as fair as possible? A combination of both factors. Okay, well in that case who would you consider to be your favourite out of all of these - rather than who you think was the "King"? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:17:29 GMT 10
I mean, Cash surely did have an impact, no doubt, but it wasn't as big as Elvic or Berry, like you mentioned. Not sure how I feel about Elvis being the king of Rock n' Roll. As culturally important as he was I don't think he's the one who really defined the genre. Completely agreed with you on Elvis. As for Cash, I just want to add that although he is first and foremost a country musician, he did embrace the rock and roll (as well as rockabilly) sound as well as others. Plus as many people have said about Cash, he can't be exclusively identified as one genre. Well he cetainly wasn't the King of Rock and Roll for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:22:51 GMT 10
A combination of both factors. Okay, well in that case who would you consider to be your favourite out of all of these - rather than who you think was the "King"? Keep in mind that i'm not that well versed in some of these artists but as of now Johnny Cash. |
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 0:52:32 GMT 10
Completely agreed with you on Elvis. As for Cash, I just want to add that although he is first and foremost a country musician, he did embrace the rock and roll (as well as rockabilly) sound as well as others. Plus as many people have said about Cash, he can't be exclusively identified as one genre. Well he cetainly wasn't the King of Rock and Roll for sure. Well neither is Pat Boone. Nor is Fred Durst |
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 0:53:05 GMT 10
Okay, well in that case who would you consider to be your favourite out of all of these - rather than who you think was the "King"? Keep in mind that i'm not that well versed in some of these artists but as of now Johnny Cash. That's a surprise - I thought you would have gone for either Elvis or Chuck |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:53:50 GMT 10
Keep in mind that i'm not that well versed in some of these artists but as of now Johnny Cash. That's a surprise - I thought you would have gone for either Elvis or Chuck Yea me too |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:54:04 GMT 10
Well he cetainly wasn't the King of Rock and Roll for sure. Well neither is Pat Boone. Nor is Fred Durst So I have no idea why they're up there lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:54:06 GMT 10
Keep in mind that i'm not that well versed in some of these artists but as of now Johnny Cash. That's a surprise - I thought you would have gone for either Elvis or Chuck When it comes to straight up rock and roll, my favourite is Chuck. but i started listening to Mr Cash when I was about 8 years old. |
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 1:21:51 GMT 10
Well neither is Pat Boone. Nor is Fred Durst So I have no idea why they're up there lol I've already explained why lol. Actually, with Pat Boone he has a legitimate claim to the King title. After all he did bring rock and roll into upper middle class households, and gave kids the opportunity to listen to brothel music that wasn't by one of those goddamned Negros - or a negro sounding hip shaker who was infamous and at the same time barbaric!  |
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 1:22:38 GMT 10
That's a surprise - I thought you would have gone for either Elvis or Chuck When it comes to straight up rock and roll, my favourite is Chuck. but i started listening to Mr Cash when I was about 8 years old. And it took you a further 10 years to become aware of "25 Minutes To Go" |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 1:28:59 GMT 10
When it comes to straight up rock and roll, my favourite is Chuck. but i started listening to Mr Cash when I was about 8 years old. And it took you a further 10 years to become aware of "25 Minutes To Go" Yeah because I wasn't a fanatical music nerd. |
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 1:35:18 GMT 10
And it took you a further 10 years to become aware of "25 Minutes To Go" Yeah because I wasn't a fanatical music nerd. True. Those were the simple days of Busted and happy ending massages |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 1:38:49 GMT 10
Yeah because I wasn't a fanatical music nerd. True. Those were the simple days of Busted and happy ending massages Well then. |
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 1:46:00 GMT 10
True. Those were the simple days of Busted and happy ending massages Well then. You know damn well what I'm referring to lmao |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 15:13:57 GMT 10
You know damn well what I'm referring to lmao Busted had like four, maybe five songs I listened to as a little kid. It was more my siblings band. |
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