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Post by DarkSideFreak on Feb 15, 2017 8:07:06 GMT 10
So, jumping ahead of myself there  As a matter of fact, I know three songs off Calling All Stations (Congo, Shipwrecked and the title track) and if they are any indication, I don't really understand the complaints... That's interesting. This is one of the reviews that I've stumbled upon on this album: starling.rinet.ru/music/genesis.htm#StationsHadn't read that one but not really surprised at his review. Adrian Denning and Don Ignacio also both panned the album. I'm in two minds about Starostin really because some of his reviews are good, but way too often I find he throws out insults or snarky remarks and when you're reading a review like that about an album you like, it's not really endearing... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 20:30:31 GMT 10
It surprises me that Genesis got derided after Phil quit because his dominating era of Genesis is often derided too. Can people make their minds up?  . I've always admired Phil as a drummer myself. One of the most technically proficient drummers of 70s progressive rock, and also one of the most energetic drummers of simple polished pop rock. His drumming on his first solo hit "In The Air Tonight" was very innovative in how it uses electronic drum samples in addition to old school tricks and the burst of energy that comes half way through the song from enjoyably moody yet mostly forgettable, into a great pop track. Without the drumming it wouldn't be what it is. He's also an excellent singer and anyone who says otherwise has never heard "The Cinema Show" by Genesis (during the Gabriel dominated era). Yet all that said, I unfortunately don't think much of his pop-oriented stuff. Most of his solo stuff is forgettable, and while pop-era Genesis produced a lot of memorable songs, none of them had much soul to them. I might as well listen to Def Leppard's Hysteria  . I do like "Land of Confusion" though, and despite not being a big fan of Disturbed (from what i've heard at least), I always had a soft spot for their cover of it (perhaps too polished but it takes an already good song and makes it ROCK!!!), that's good enough for me  . Gabriel led Genesis however was super awesome. I am yet to hear a full album or incessantly listen to them, but every time I hear something I love it. (this song is a masterpiece btw). As for Yes who were discussed earlier, I quite like what i've heard from them too although i'm surprised I do. I definitely glom onto Genesis a bit more, who just have a lot more soul to them IMO (though Yes aren't devoid of that either). Has everyone forgot King Crimson? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 20:41:03 GMT 10
Moving back to the Floyd however, I think you listen to Supper's Ready which I posted above, you can hear a lot of pastoral english tradition in it, not just in the lyrics or the atmosphere but in the heavier moments too. It's like they fed folk music and the lives of British farmers into an electric guitar and really rocked it out. I find that sort of style of mystical Tolkien meets country meets the lives of 40s housewives and butchers raising British children, very common in progressive rock. Even in the subtlest way, it's the medieval "hey nonny nonny" things incorporated into post-war Britain. It's keeping tradition alive and moving it forward. It's rock music that's sometimes hard and sometimes soft but always mystical. I think those rather than the long solos and experimental flavourings to be the major aspect of prog. Otherwise it's just on the art rock spectrum. This is why Floyd will never be a progressive rock band to me. This is really the only album that indulges in that aspect the most. I like some of the guitar playing on the title track, actually I love some of the guitar playing on the title track. However as a whole it doesn't work. It seems to be shoehorning itself into the culture. The artwork is a masterpiece of parody however. If the album was on the goofier side and captured that cover maybe i'd like it more. Yet then we wouldn't have the poignant lyrics of "If" or the lullaby perfection of "Fat Old Sun". I don't know, it'll never be perfect in any timeline. For what it is though, it's okay.
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Post by DarkSideFreak on Apr 5, 2017 5:41:31 GMT 10
It surprises me that Genesis got derided after Phil quit because his dominating era of Genesis is often derided too. Can people make their minds up? . I've always admired Phil as a drummer myself. One of the most technically proficient drummers of 70s progressive rock, and also one of the most energetic drummers of simple polished pop rock. His drumming on his first solo hit "In The Air Tonight" was very innovative in how it uses electronic drum samples in addition to old school tricks and the burst of energy that comes half way through the song from enjoyably moody yet mostly forgettable, into a great pop track. Without the drumming it wouldn't be what it is. He's also an excellent singer and anyone who says otherwise has never heard "The Cinema Show" by Genesis (during the Gabriel dominated era). Yet all that said, I unfortunately don't think much of his pop-oriented stuff. Most of his solo stuff is forgettable, and while pop-era Genesis produced a lot of memorable songs, none of them had much soul to them. I might as well listen to Def Leppard's Hysteria . I do like "Land of Confusion" though, and despite not being a big fan of Disturbed (from what i've heard at least), I always had a soft spot for their cover of it (perhaps too polished but it takes an already good song and makes it ROCK!!!), that's good enough for me . Gabriel led Genesis however was super awesome. I am yet to hear a full album or incessantly listen to them, but every time I hear something I love it. (this song is a masterpiece btw). As for Yes who were discussed earlier, I quite like what i've heard from them too although i'm surprised I do. I definitely glom onto Genesis a bit more, who just have a lot more soul to them IMO (though Yes aren't devoid of that either). Has everyone forgot King Crimson? KC are a band I have not dealt with yet, though of course I know "The Court of the Crimson King". I think I prefer Yes to Genesis simply because PG-era Genesis sometimes are too dark and perverse for me whereas later stuff often is just a bit too much on the moody side. That said, I love "Home by the Sea" and their 'stadium' stuff like "Turn It On Again" (with that 13/4 rhythm nobody notices) or the aforementioned "Land of Confusion". PG and PC are both great singers, though Phil didn't sing on "Cinema Show" before Pete left. Phil only sang "More Fool Me" and "For Absent Friends" and some bits here and there (e.g. Slippermen). And I agree that Phil's solo career is overall underwhelming, however I do like some tracks such as "Hang In Long Enough". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 16:08:55 GMT 10
It surprises me that Genesis got derided after Phil quit because his dominating era of Genesis is often derided too. Can people make their minds up? . I've always admired Phil as a drummer myself. One of the most technically proficient drummers of 70s progressive rock, and also one of the most energetic drummers of simple polished pop rock. His drumming on his first solo hit "In The Air Tonight" was very innovative in how it uses electronic drum samples in addition to old school tricks and the burst of energy that comes half way through the song from enjoyably moody yet mostly forgettable, into a great pop track. Without the drumming it wouldn't be what it is. He's also an excellent singer and anyone who says otherwise has never heard "The Cinema Show" by Genesis (during the Gabriel dominated era). Yet all that said, I unfortunately don't think much of his pop-oriented stuff. Most of his solo stuff is forgettable, and while pop-era Genesis produced a lot of memorable songs, none of them had much soul to them. I might as well listen to Def Leppard's Hysteria . I do like "Land of Confusion" though, and despite not being a big fan of Disturbed (from what i've heard at least), I always had a soft spot for their cover of it (perhaps too polished but it takes an already good song and makes it ROCK!!!), that's good enough for me . Gabriel led Genesis however was super awesome. I am yet to hear a full album or incessantly listen to them, but every time I hear something I love it. (this song is a masterpiece btw). As for Yes who were discussed earlier, I quite like what i've heard from them too although i'm surprised I do. I definitely glom onto Genesis a bit more, who just have a lot more soul to them IMO (though Yes aren't devoid of that either). Has everyone forgot King Crimson? KC are a band I have not dealt with yet, though of course I know "The Court of the Crimson King". I think I prefer Yes to Genesis simply because PG-era Genesis sometimes are too dark and perverse for me whereas later stuff often is just a bit too much on the moody side. That said, I love "Home by the Sea" and their 'stadium' stuff like "Turn It On Again" (with that 13/4 rhythm nobody notices) or the aforementioned "Land of Confusion". PG and PC are both great singers, though Phil didn't sing on "Cinema Show" before Pete left. Phil only sang "More Fool Me" and "For Absent Friends" and some bits here and there (e.g. Slippermen). And I agree that Phil's solo career is overall underwhelming, however I do like some tracks such as "Hang In Long Enough". My mistake regarding The Cinema Show. Either way, I stand by much of what I said. I think i'm more interested in Genesis because I am able to accept dark themes. I think darkness is a tool that is not to be used for the sake of it but when done effectively, it's one of my favourite moods. |
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Post by DarkSideFreak on Apr 5, 2017 18:53:26 GMT 10
KC are a band I have not dealt with yet, though of course I know "The Court of the Crimson King". I think I prefer Yes to Genesis simply because PG-era Genesis sometimes are too dark and perverse for me whereas later stuff often is just a bit too much on the moody side. That said, I love "Home by the Sea" and their 'stadium' stuff like "Turn It On Again" (with that 13/4 rhythm nobody notices) or the aforementioned "Land of Confusion". PG and PC are both great singers, though Phil didn't sing on "Cinema Show" before Pete left. Phil only sang "More Fool Me" and "For Absent Friends" and some bits here and there (e.g. Slippermen). And I agree that Phil's solo career is overall underwhelming, however I do like some tracks such as "Hang In Long Enough". My mistake regarding The Cinema Show. Either way, I stand by much of what I said. I think i'm more interested in Genesis because I am able to accept dark themes. I think darkness is a tool that is not to be used for the sake of it but when done effectively, it's one of my favourite moods. Marillion are great if you wanna get depressed  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 13:55:32 GMT 10
My mistake regarding The Cinema Show. Either way, I stand by much of what I said. I think i'm more interested in Genesis because I am able to accept dark themes. I think darkness is a tool that is not to be used for the sake of it but when done effectively, it's one of my favourite moods. Marillion are great if you wanna get depressed I'll check them out. For now i'll stick to my Joy Division and Smiths records though. |
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Post by DarkSideFreak on Apr 12, 2017 18:20:34 GMT 10
It surprises me that Genesis got derided after Phil quit because his dominating era of Genesis is often derided too. Can people make their minds up? . I've always admired Phil as a drummer myself. One of the most technically proficient drummers of 70s progressive rock, and also one of the most energetic drummers of simple polished pop rock. His drumming on his first solo hit "In The Air Tonight" was very innovative in how it uses electronic drum samples in addition to old school tricks and the burst of energy that comes half way through the song from enjoyably moody yet mostly forgettable, into a great pop track. Without the drumming it wouldn't be what it is. He's also an excellent singer and anyone who says otherwise has never heard "The Cinema Show" by Genesis (during the Gabriel dominated era). Yet all that said, I unfortunately don't think much of his pop-oriented stuff. Most of his solo stuff is forgettable, and while pop-era Genesis produced a lot of memorable songs, none of them had much soul to them. I might as well listen to Def Leppard's Hysteria . I do like "Land of Confusion" though, and despite not being a big fan of Disturbed (from what i've heard at least), I always had a soft spot for their cover of it (perhaps too polished but it takes an already good song and makes it ROCK!!!), that's good enough for me . Gabriel led Genesis however was super awesome. I am yet to hear a full album or incessantly listen to them, but every time I hear something I love it. (this song is a masterpiece btw). As for Yes who were discussed earlier, I quite like what i've heard from them too although i'm surprised I do. I definitely glom onto Genesis a bit more, who just have a lot more soul to them IMO (though Yes aren't devoid of that either). Has everyone forgot King Crimson? Heard a live recording by Ray Wilson (the guy who sang on Calling All Stations and still does a lot of Genesis songs in his solo concerts) yesterday and he put an interesting spin on "Land of Confusion". |
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. I've always admired Phil as a drummer myself. One of the most technically proficient drummers of 70s progressive rock, and also one of the most energetic drummers of simple polished pop rock. His drumming on his first solo hit "In The Air Tonight" was very innovative in how it uses electronic drum samples in addition to old school tricks and the burst of energy that comes half way through the song from enjoyably moody yet mostly forgettable, into a great pop track. Without the drumming it wouldn't be what it is. He's also an excellent singer and anyone who says otherwise has never heard "The Cinema Show" by Genesis (during the Gabriel dominated era). Yet all that said, I unfortunately don't think much of his pop-oriented stuff. Most of his solo stuff is forgettable, and while pop-era Genesis produced a lot of memorable songs, none of them had much soul to them. I might as well listen to Def Leppard's Hysteria 
. I do like "Land of Confusion" though, and despite not being a big fan of Disturbed (from what i've heard at least), I always had a soft spot for their cover of it (perhaps too polished but it takes an already good song and makes it ROCK!!!), that's good enough for me 
. Gabriel led Genesis however was super awesome. I am yet to hear a full album or incessantly listen to them, but every time I hear something I love it.
