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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 14:11:04 GMT 10
Bringing things back to Metallica, I'm going to have to ask what everyone thinks of the opening track/title track of this new album compared to the opener of Death Magentic. Consider this a bit of a song vs song round but excluded from that thread as I want to delve into what I like about this new album:
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 18, 2016 14:14:20 GMT 10
Bringing things back to Metallica, I'm going to have to ask what everyone thinks of the opening track/title track of this new album compared to the opener of Death Magentic. Consider this a bit of a song vs song round but excluded from that thread as I want to delve into what I like about this new album: VS The latter's definitely the more interesting; though I think both (but especially the first one) are pale imitations of their early style. Plus, it's missing the iconic drums, so
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 14:20:29 GMT 10
Bringing things back to Metallica, I'm going to have to ask what everyone thinks of the opening track/title track of this new album compared to the opener of Death Magentic. Consider this a bit of a song vs song round but excluded from that thread as I want to delve into what I like about this new album: VS The latter's definitely the more interesting; though I think both (but especially the first one) are pale imitations of their early style. Plus, it's missing the iconic drums, so I think That Was Just Your Life is a good track for two reasons: 1. Even though it repeats a nearly exact copy of the riff from "Jump in the Fire", that riff was honestly the only good part of that song, so speeding up the tempo of the riff and incorporating other musical ideas just works for me personally, even though I acknowledge some of the lack of inventiveness on Metallica's part. 2. Like you said there's just a lot of interesting things going on. That said, Hardwired is so much better. It's better produced for one. The drum sound on Death Magnetic was way too loud and at times the mixing is a bit of a mess. The Guitar Hero III edition improves upon this and is the one I listen to but even that's not great if you want to be nitpicky. Hardwired is so much cleaner, heavier, and more organic. It doesn't have the overly digital sound that Death Magnetic has. Also whatever jokes you want to make about 'iconic' drums, Hardwired is the best Lars has sounded in years. I don't know if he'll be able to replicate it live but i'm reluctantly hoping for the best because it just sounds awesome here. Death Magnetic was intended to be a return to their roots, and while there's some great stuff, and a lot of cool ideas, the progressive angle feels a little forced. Hardwired as an album has some issues for sure but this track is the most simple, straight-ahead punch of excitement they've put out in years. It's them doing what they do best and doing it outstandingly.
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 18, 2016 14:46:48 GMT 10
The latter's definitely the more interesting; though I think both (but especially the first one) are pale imitations of their early style. Plus, it's missing the iconic drums, so Death Magnetic was intended to be a return to their roots, and while there's some great stuff, and a lot of cool ideas, the progressive angle feels a little forced. Hardwired as an album has some issues for sure but this track is the most simple, straight-ahead punch of excitement they've put out in years. It's them doing what they do best and doing it outstandingly. In other words, it's the first gush-worthy Metallica track they've put out in years
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 14:47:31 GMT 10
Death Magnetic was intended to be a return to their roots, and while there's some great stuff, and a lot of cool ideas, the progressive angle feels a little forced. Hardwired as an album has some issues for sure but this track is the most simple, straight-ahead punch of excitement they've put out in years. It's them doing what they do best and doing it outstandingly. In other words, it's the first gush-worthy Metallica track they've put out in years Oh god lol. But yes I suppose.
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 18, 2016 15:00:53 GMT 10
In other words, it's the first gush-worthy Metallica track they've put out in years Oh god lol. But yes I suppose. Now it's time for Stevie to give his thoughts on the songs
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 22:55:41 GMT 10
I've honestly only heard a handful of Metalllica songs to judge, and all the ones I've listened to are the iconic ones so I'm not sure how I'd feel about their later stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:00:10 GMT 10
I've honestly only heard a handful of Metalllica songs to judge, and all the ones I've listened to are the iconic ones so I'm not sure how I'd feel about their later stuff. Well what are your thoughts on these two tracks?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:11:04 GMT 10
I've honestly only heard a handful of Metalllica songs to judge, and all the ones I've listened to are the iconic ones so I'm not sure how I'd feel about their later stuff. Well what are your thoughts on these two tracks? I'll say that for Hardwired while I somewhat enjoyed the song it really didn't live up to what I imagined Metallica would be. Slightly repetitive as well, and you get bored of the song quickly. Luckily I think the heavy sound of Metallic somewhat saves it, but there's honestly nothing special to go on about. The guitarwork is definatley nice towards to end I suppose, but not to the amazing degree I expected. For That Was Just Your Life, that has a really good intro dude, a very steady buildup and into the Metallica sound, the transition is smooth and it's throughly a very well organized song. The vocals are well-matched with the song and it's exactly the type of sound you'd expect from Metallica. There's so much more weight and gravity in the song that in comparison, Hardwired sounds like an absolute mess of a song. This one, while it's not the best I've heard from Metallica, I feel is at the very least a musically competent song in all its rights and is at the very least enjoyable, and definatley more thought-out than the first one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:18:43 GMT 10
Well what are your thoughts on these two tracks? I'll say that for Hardwired while I somewhat enjoyed the song it really didn't live up to what I imagined Metallica would be. Slightly repetitive as well, and you get bored of the song quickly. Luckily I think the heavy sound of Metallic somewhat saves it, but there's honestly nothing special to go on about. The guitarwork is definatley nice towards to end I suppose, but not to the amazing degree I expected. For That Was Just Your Life, that has a really good intro dude, a very steady buildup and into the Metallica sound, the transition is smooth and it's throughly a very well organized song. The vocals are well-matched with the song and it's exactly the type of sound you'd expect from Metallica. There's so much more weight and gravity in the song that in comparison, Hardwired sounds like an absolute mess of a song. This one, while it's not the best I've heard from Metallica, I feel is at the very least a musically competent song in all its rights and is at the very least enjoyable, and definatley more thought-out than the first one. I wouldn't call Hardwired a mess. It's pretty damn precise. To me it just captures the energy and adrenaline rush they're best at perfectly, whereas That Was Just Your Life is a bit of a half-arsed attempt at returning to their roots. Either way, you're best off with their 80s stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:20:57 GMT 10
I'll say that for Hardwired while I somewhat enjoyed the song it really didn't live up to what I imagined Metallica would be. Slightly repetitive as well, and you get bored of the song quickly. Luckily I think the heavy sound of Metallic somewhat saves it, but there's honestly nothing special to go on about. The guitarwork is definatley nice towards to end I suppose, but not to the amazing degree I expected. For That Was Just Your Life, that has a really good intro dude, a very steady buildup and into the Metallica sound, the transition is smooth and it's throughly a very well organized song. The vocals are well-matched with the song and it's exactly the type of sound you'd expect from Metallica. There's so much more weight and gravity in the song that in comparison, Hardwired sounds like an absolute mess of a song. This one, while it's not the best I've heard from Metallica, I feel is at the very least a musically competent song in all its rights and is at the very least enjoyable, and definatley more thought-out than the first one. I wouldn't call Hardwired a mess. It's pretty damn precise. To me it just captures the energy and adrenaline rush they're best at perfectly, whereas That Was Just Your Life is a bit of a half-arsed attempt at returning to their roots. Either way, you're best off with their 80s stuff. Interesting, I didn't think that Hardwired had much substance to it but I enjoyed That Was Just Your Life (although felt it could be shorter). And yea, I'll definatley be starting with their 80s stuff for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:26:19 GMT 10
I wouldn't call Hardwired a mess. It's pretty damn precise. To me it just captures the energy and adrenaline rush they're best at perfectly, whereas That Was Just Your Life is a bit of a half-arsed attempt at returning to their roots. Either way, you're best off with their 80s stuff. Interesting, I didn't think that Hardwired had much substance to it but I enjoyed That Was Just Your Life (although felt it could be shorter). And yea, I'll definatley be starting with their 80s stuff for sure. I guess the point of the lack of substance was to just give a bit of an energy vibe. That's what their first album was which was innovative but extremely straight ahead and simple. I guess i'd start with Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. But i'd also check out a few individual tracks off The Black Album for something more commercial.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:29:58 GMT 10
Interesting, I didn't think that Hardwired had much substance to it but I enjoyed That Was Just Your Life (although felt it could be shorter). And yea, I'll definatley be starting with their 80s stuff for sure. I guess the point of the lack of substance was to just give a bit of an energy vibe. That's what their first album was which was innovative but extremely straight ahead and simple. I guess i'd start with Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. But i'd also check out a few individual tracks off The Black Album for something more commercial. How do you mean more "commercial", I did hear that Master of Puppets is a good album.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:56:49 GMT 10
I guess the point of the lack of substance was to just give a bit of an energy vibe. That's what their first album was which was innovative but extremely straight ahead and simple. I guess i'd start with Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. But i'd also check out a few individual tracks off The Black Album for something more commercial. How do you mean more "commercial", I did hear that Master of Puppets is a good album. Well here's the album by album explanation: Kill Em' All: James still hasn't found his vocal style yet and is missing a lot of notes. it's quite endearing in that he sounds like a young pimply-faced, squeaky voiced metal fan, but it's not the strongest singing technically. Kirk Hammett just joined the band shortly beforehand so his playing a lot of variations of what Dace Mustaine was playing prior to his leaving of the band (You can hear Mustaine's solos on the demo No Life Til' Leather), and Cliff just joined the band so he doesn't have much of a chance to be outspoken as a bassist. Funny enough the most evolved member is Lars who's drumming is pretty diverse across the album compared to the rest of them. All in all it's a very raw album. The playing's competent but not that great and has a lot of rough edges to it. Yet ultimately that's the appeal. For the time the extremity of the album was only rival'd by Hellhammer (and their renamed incarnation Celtic Frost), Venom and Bathory, all of whom had much worse production which masked some of the punch of the music. Those bands influenced the foundation of extreme metal, but Metallica practically invented the modern idea of mainstream metal on Kill 'Em All. Ridiculously fast and energetic and has a youthful innocence to it (for a metal band) that is just a lot of fun. Lots of great ideas in many of the songs as well. It's deeply flawed but that's part of the appeal and despite lacking in substance, it still changed the entire course of musical history. A classic of the genre though not the best starting point. Ride the Lightning: This album harkens back to singer/rhythm guitarist James Hetfield's influences. Kill 'Em All was a pure bay area thrash album, and it encouraged the rest of the artists in the scene to really up their game. Ride the Lightning on the overhand takes it's influences mainly from the New Wave of British Heavy Metal that was reaching it's end but as a popular movement probably had actually died for the most part a couple years earlier. The title track has a borderline symphonic quality to it with extremely melodic Mercyful Fate influences (not british, they were Danish but had a similar audience as the NWOBHM stuff), and "For Whom the Bell Tolls" has some similar riffing as the Black Sabbath song "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath". "Fade to Black" has a power ballad feel with a metal climax that had been inspired by Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, whereas "Creeping Death" is pure thrash with a weird time signature thrown in and a lyrical theme inspired by the biblical story of the plagues (history was something Maiden were fascinated in). Yet despite having all of the influences more obvious, it actually is in some ways a heavier album than Kill 'Em All has it has the softer dynamics that make the loud parts more exciting, and a much better production that pushes the heaviness to the forefront. Kill Em All was all speed, but Ride the Lightning has the depth that took metal in a refined, controlled, progressive, and melodic direction that understood how to excite young kids and teenagers more than any metal band before. Master of Puppets: A bit of a mirror to Ride the Lightning, due to the way the songs are structured and the progressive, melodic thing but also does something very new and difficult to define. It was once described as "Heavy metal's answer to Phil Spector's Wall of Sound" and it's true. It's sonically fantastic. Just have to listen to see. ...And Justice for All: They're most progressive album. It has it's flaws and it's commonly criticised by bassists and bass guitar enthusiasts for having minimal bass frequencies but once you accept that and get used to it, you realise the album really doesn't need it. It would interfere. The guitar sound is perfect, the ideas are brilliant, and it takes the progressive idea of Metallica to the extreme. Metallica/self-titled/The Black Album: A lot of people hate this album due to it abandoning the thrash metal sound for something that harkened back to classic heavy metal and brought in clean production. I admit I was shocked when I first heard this album but i've grown to like it. It's the weakest of the first five records but the stuff that's good is great and the production is astonishingly impressive. I also think in hindsight it gets more hate, as many who were around at the time said they don't remember anyone slagging off Metallica, though a lot of naysayers still claim to have hated it when it came out. The reaction from the older fans wasn't as harsh as it's now made out to be but it was definitely mixed. That said it brought in a lot of new fans. Like thousands. It put them on the map as the biggest metal band on the planet. This said the debate is constant as to whether it's metal. Well the arrangements are very sparse and while it didn't sound like anything on the radio, it was definitely the closest shot to radio play that Metallica ever had a chance of getting, and it certainly didn't sound like any of the metal of the past either. I find for that reason it goes in more of a rock direction but it still has a lot of riffs and guitar tone that resembles the metal genre. It's kind of a mix of rock and of metal. I say it leans towards rock, but the music's good and the roots are still there and it's far from the Bon Jovi album some make it out to be. Load: Half of this album is pretty good, the other half is boring as paint. Also it felt nothing like Metallica. They'd drifted so far away from what made them a great band in the first place and this album took years for me to admit had anything other than one good song. Some of it is well-crafted but all in all it was an uninteresting, dull direction and the album becomes tiring to listen to. They should have cut the record down to a shorter length and released it under a different name as a side project. Hetfield admits it was the wrong decision now. ReLoad: Load with less good songs. Abysmally boring. St. Anger: A return to their metal roots but a horribly misguided one. It may be their heaviest album in years but it's also the worst thing they ever did. Too much to go into. Death Magnetic: An attempt to be similar to their 80s albums and it's good. It's a refreshing and welcome return to their older sound but it's merely a dose of nostalgic fan service that comes off mildly forced. LuLu: I'm actually yet to listen to this believe it or not. It's not officially considered one of their main albums, but it is all original music by them, despite being a collaboration with Lou Reed. I've heard a couple tracks that were awful and a bad attempt at being experimental. I've heard some describe it as even worse than St. Anger. I will give it a fair shot one day though. Hardwired... To Self Destruct: More genuine and authentic than Death Magnetic. Far from perfect but very strong.
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 0:21:12 GMT 10
Well what are your thoughts on these two tracks? I'll say that for Hardwired while I somewhat enjoyed the song it really didn't live up to what I imagined Metallica would be. Slightly repetitive as well, and you get bored of the song quickly. Luckily I think the heavy sound of Metallic somewhat saves it, but there's honestly nothing special to go on about. The guitarwork is definatley nice towards to end I suppose, but not to the amazing degree I expected. For That Was Just Your Life, that has a really good intro dude, a very steady buildup and into the Metallica sound, the transition is smooth and it's throughly a very well organized song. The vocals are well-matched with the song and it's exactly the type of sound you'd expect from Metallica. There's so much more weight and gravity in the song that in comparison, Hardwired sounds like an absolute mess of a song. This one, while it's not the best I've heard from Metallica, I feel is at the very least a musically competent song in all its rights and is at the very least enjoyable, and definatley more thought-out than the first one. Interesting.... that pretty much sums up my thoughts on the two songs as well
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 17:29:35 GMT 10
No, i'm just stuck in a skateboard hole That raises more questions than answers lel It's a bit of a funny story.
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 18:35:51 GMT 10
That raises more questions than answers lel It's a bit of a funny story. To sum it up: "The Little Wood That Thought He Could" Or to be more posh: "Lazarus Wood" It was one hole that the Wood could not fill
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 22:32:58 GMT 10
It's a bit of a funny story. To sum it up: "The Little Wood That Thought He Could" Or to be more posh: "Lazarus Wood" It was one hole that the Wood could not fill This chat literally went from Metallica to jokes about wood.
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 22:57:39 GMT 10
To sum it up: "The Little Wood That Thought He Could" Or to be more posh: "Lazarus Wood" It was one hole that the Wood could not fill This chat literally went from Metallica to jokes about wood. It was only natural, of course
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 23:05:00 GMT 10
This chat literally went from Metallica to jokes about wood. It was only natural, of course With you here it certainly seems so lol
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 19, 2016 23:42:16 GMT 10
It was only natural, of course With you here it certainly seems so lol Eh, I wouldn't give credit to myself only.... certainly we all played a part (except the ones that actually didn't participate here)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 23:50:33 GMT 10
With you here it certainly seems so lol Eh, I wouldn't give credit to myself only.... certainly we all played a part (except the ones that actually didn't participate here) I don't have many meme pics of Kelan in my phone so...Lol
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 20, 2016 0:04:20 GMT 10
Eh, I wouldn't give credit to myself only.... certainly we all played a part (except the ones that actually didn't participate here) I don't have many meme pics of Kelan in my phone so...Lol Sure you don't
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 0:15:46 GMT 10
I don't have many meme pics of Kelan in my phone so...Lol Sure you don't Lol I have one pic of him on my computer that I toook when I first Skyped him and i was like: "OMG That's what you look like can i take a pic of you?" And he said: "Sure haha"
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 20, 2016 9:24:52 GMT 10
Sure you don't Lol I have one pic of him on my computer that I toook when I first Skyped him and i was like: "OMG That's what you look like can i take a pic of you?" And he said: "Sure haha" This calls for a
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 16:17:07 GMT 10
I guess the point of the lack of substance was to just give a bit of an energy vibe. That's what their first album was which was innovative but extremely straight ahead and simple. I guess i'd start with Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. But i'd also check out a few individual tracks off The Black Album for something more commercial. How do you mean more "commercial", I did hear that Master of Puppets is a good album. ^Asks me a question > says nothing about my answer
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Post by BluesyThug on Dec 20, 2016 16:55:06 GMT 10
How do you mean more "commercial", I did hear that Master of Puppets is a good album. ^Asks me a question > says nothing about my answer Perhaps he had nothing further to add and simply agreed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 18:32:47 GMT 10
How do you mean more "commercial", I did hear that Master of Puppets is a good album. ^Asks me a question > says nothing about my answer Mate yea, I understood and appreciated the answer but I'm honestly uneducated on the albums to know what to say. I appreciate you letting me know which ones to listen to first though...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 18:33:03 GMT 10
Lol I have one pic of him on my computer that I toook when I first Skyped him and i was like: "OMG That's what you look like can i take a pic of you?" And he said: "Sure haha" This calls for a If only I was a girl eh?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 18:33:16 GMT 10
^Asks me a question > says nothing about my answer Mate yea, I understood and appreciated the answer but I'm honestly uneducated on the albums to know what to say. I appreciate you letting me know which ones to listen to first though... All good man.
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