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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 18:34:57 GMT 10
Even if I have mixed feelings about Borat as a film I enjoyed all three of these moments, but the third one is the best. "We support your war of terror" is just one line and it's some of the best of social satire i've ever heard. And the song is brilliantly funny.
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Post by BluesyThug on Sept 14, 2017 17:41:57 GMT 10
But yeah bit of a well then round, especially the second song.... but yeah, going with Kreator. Vs. Vs. Vs. Vs. Vs. Vs. Vs. Vs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 19:13:30 GMT 10
LMAO, that picture of me is taken right out of context. BTW how dare you insult the Ratamahatta. As for your round, oh boy. Brian is a major talent and his song is nice though I don't love it. Hopefully it'll grow on me but I don't have to say that about River Song which I love and Heaven which a bit cheesy is still very endearing (beats the life out of Bryan Adams' version). Oh lord though Mike Love brings an end to the gold streak with a horribly insulting song. Like I see no issue with looking back at the 60s with fondness and turning that theme into a song but to mention assassinations of leaders and the Manson murders is kind of creepy. Like I know you got to acknowledge the good with the bad and discuss how it made us stronger but put to that melody just makes it super uncomfortable. I want to vomit. Or at least I did until Don't Fight The Sea which has it's own unique atmosphere at times and I don't disagree with the message. Still it's pretty cringeworthy and ineffective. Now back to putrid garbage. I have to defend Bruce Johnson a bit as he's done some terrific stuff and even at his schmaltziest and goofiest and most lame, there's still this heart that drags me to his music. I think he's very talented even when his stuff is dated to that period. There's just something that rises his stuff above the bad cheese of the time. Until now. I hate the cover of this by Barry Manilow who generally speaking I see as mediocre and mildly cringey, basically a few steps below my defense of Bruce Johnson but I was hoping the original was better. It wasn't. I think it's even worse than Mike Love actually. We're back to the okay lane now with Marks throwing his hat off to one of the great rock and roll classics. It's okay. Say You Need Me is a bit better because it tries something different to the other failed ones. It's not a corny enviromentalist song by an old edgeless man who doesn't understand that protest music requires fierceness nor an insultingly saccharine spout of nonsense by Johnson or Love nor just a repetitive cover. It's just a soulful number that he wrote and him alone (I think at least, could be a cover who knows). Still it's not as good as the first three songs. The Rutles was mildly amusing but still I'd go the top three first.
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Post by BluesyThug on Sept 15, 2017 16:59:49 GMT 10
First in response to your response to my round... I'd say Brian's song (which resonates more when you take into account how it was written and recorded in the aftermath of the deaths of his mum and Carl) is better than Carl's at least (which BTW is a different song entirely from Bryan Adams's song of the same name), though Dennis's is easily the best. Musically, I have to admit Mike Love's song isn't bad at all - I think it's got a nice melody to it as well. The lyrics however is entirely inappropriate for the song, and destroys it entirely. Utterly cringeworthy and insensitive - especially the Manson reference, given the Beach Boys' connection with them and the effect it had on Dennis Wilson who was still alive when the song came out. Al's song I initially very much liked, and it has plenty going for it musically and vocally. Listening to it again though, I'd have to agree with you - another song with potential destroyed by subpar lyrics. The rest I can't really argue with.
Now for your round.... In terms of vocals, I don't think you could argue with Halford being leagues ahead of the rest. Easily one of the most impressive metal singers. Accept's singer isn't bad at all - certainly better than Brian Johnson who's quite easily the weakest of the four. As a matter of fact, I don't think any of AC/DC's singers were technically great or anything, but Bon Scott's at least had character and charisma - very memorable vocalist, which is why I'll place him as second. As for the songs themselves, I'd actually rank them the same as the singer's - expect place Accept's song above Big Balls. Anyway, here's my next round:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 18:33:59 GMT 10
Yeah I meant the different song by Bryan Adams, not as though it was a cover. I also agree about the vocalists though I do like Brian Johnson despite him definitely going rapidly downhill post-For Those About to Rock and not starting to recover until Black Ice, finding a full recovery on Rock or Bust before touring into retirement. Now for The Solo Stones. First off, that Mick Jagger song is super lame. Mick Jagger was great because he was a loveable rogue, this swaggeringly debauched arsehole of a singer with immense attitude. Not a softly crooning synth lord. He had diversity as a singer for sure but Jagger's ballads definitely became weaker later on. As for Brian Jones who I had no idea had a solo career or project of any kind, this was really cool but it's not as good as what's to come. Talk is Cheap is an album i've been meaning to listen to for a while, my first awareness being from Greg Benson of Mediocre Films' CD Collection video where he emphasised that it was an "AMA-ZING ALBUM, I said it it's an amazing album" and later being reminded of it recently in Barney Hoskyns' biography of Waits - Low Side of the Road where he mentions that Keith's soloing on Rain Dogs was what Keith really wanted to be doing with The Stones but couldn't express due to the increasingly slick sounds Mick and the others were interested in and what led him to recording Talk is Cheap. This song really should be the straw that breaks the camel back (in a good way). Like I really want to hear this record now but I probably should explore the stones more as I stopped listening after Exile. The same can be said for Bill Wyman who you've recommended on many occasions and exposed some good material out of him to me. This track doesn't do much for me though but the video is hilariously dated. Onto Charlie Watts, i'm glad the greatest writer in Simpsons history is introducing it (okay maybe that's a bit much but the guy wrote the monorail episode and Homer Goes to College, that's some serious talent). The song is okay though, not what I expected from Watts but it's fine for what it is.
Interesting you threw in an actual Stones song rather than solo members songs, wonder why that is. Anyways i was surprised by bluesy this is as Dirty Work as a reputation as being their most 80s record. Still it's a bit of a waste at 33 seconds. Probably the 3rd best though lmao. Mick Taylor's song is the more generic 80s style I was expecting but it's more comparable to the upbeat 'inspirational' anthem-esque singer/songwriters of the era, not so much the synthpop you think when you hear the term "1980s". That said I can't help but admit that I sort of like it. It has that conviction to it that makes a song like "Jack and Diane" by John Cougar (later to become John Mellencamp). It's also not as unbearably ridiculous as Journey who made a living off the same style with the same conviction but somehow always were lost in translation for me. Maybe I had to be there but Journey have not aged well. I digress though. Not my favourite thing ever but better than i thought. And now for my cat (I completely ironically named my cat Ronnie for those who aren't aware). This is kind of lacklustre, like the same as the last song without the energy. Keith is the winner.
Now I felt like doing a round dedicated to metal covers but I ended up kind of stuck with Priest doing covers and people covering them. There's just so much to choose from with them. I'm also picking the live versions off of one of the great live records (even if Halford's vocals were done in the studio afterwards) Unleashed in the East, though I do like the studio "Diamonds and rust too". Anyways, on with the show.
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Post by BluesyThug on Sept 17, 2017 15:13:23 GMT 10
Mick Jagger's song and most of his solo stuff are pretty awful yeah. Brian Jones didn't live long enough to embark on a full solo career - is only real solo work was the soundtrack to the film "A Degree Of Murder", which starred his girlfriend Anita Pallenberg. He also did an album with the Master Musicians of Jojouka, which was an important album in world music. But his only actual contributions are the production and some sound effects. Surprised you liked Keith's song the most. While it's very good - and certainly the most Stones-y of the lot, I can't get into Keith's singing at all. Had it been a Stones song sung by Mick, I feel it would have worked a lot better. As for Bill Wyman, he actually had the most successful overall solo career of the Stones - both commercially and critically. If you don't count Mick's collaboration with David Bowie which was a huge hit but to this day generally derided, the song I chose for Wyman was the biggest hit by any of the Stones. It is of course extremely dated, but once you understand it for what it is - satire and a piss take on the rock star lifestyle and all that - you start to enjoy it a lot more. Also surprised at your surprise about the Watts song, as pretty much all of Charlie's solo stuff is jazz, which is really his passion and first musical love. The Stones track from Dirty Work is meant to represent Ian Stewart, who I don't think actually did any solo stuff. But the track itself is pretty much solo Ian Stewart in all but name. Mick Taylor's track is pretty mediocre, as is Ronnie Wood's - which funnily enough was a collaboration with George Harrison.
As for your round, I like Fleetwood Mac's track the most, though I don't think there's a single weak track there. Priest trumps Baez and Slayer though IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 16:52:36 GMT 10
Well the biggest surprise here is the Pete Best Band which is pretty endearing and extremely representative of the british pop rock that the likes of The Jam, Madness and Dexy's made me fall in love with. Still it's not great, nor is Luck of the Irish which Yoko ruined. Everything else is wonderful but i'm going for Live and Let Die. Alright to continue into the metal realm of cover songs:
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Post by BluesyThug on Sept 18, 2017 19:14:16 GMT 10
Surprisingly enough, I like the Maiden version of that song more than Jethro Tull's.... and of course Diamond Head over Metallica. Overall, give the edge to Maiden on this round.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 20:34:05 GMT 10
The only one I care for is Terrapin even if it's not the version I know (though it's practically the same). Apparently Nick Mason got sampled by Danny Brown for the song "Ain't it Funny" which I really enjoy. For a different round, now.
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Post by BluesyThug on Sept 19, 2017 16:03:06 GMT 10
The two versions of Terrapin sounds very different IMO.... I think the original on Madcap Laughs is pretty awful in comparison. As for your round, I pick Queens Of The Stone Age as the other song sounds like Busted-style music given a heavy testosterone shot.
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Post by DarkSideFreak on Sept 20, 2017 3:18:41 GMT 10
The two versions of Terrapin sounds very different IMO.... I think the original on Madcap Laughs is pretty awful in comparison. As for your round, I pick Queens Of The Stone Age as the other song sounds like Busted-style music given a heavy testosterone shot. Vs. Vs. Vs. Not sure I have the time to listen to all these, but I have to say "Face the Face" rules big time!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 16:29:20 GMT 10
Yeah face to face is awesome. I don't know why I didn't like it initally. Need to relisten to White City I think. Empty Glass will always be my favourite Townshend solo album though I think. The other solo careers of The Who i'm less familiar with and i'm seriously surprised by how awesome the Entwhistle one is. What a riff. Daltrey wasn't very good though and Moon should really not be a singer. Going with Townshend. Now for things vaguely related to Peep Show: VS VS
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Post by BluesyThug on Sept 21, 2017 19:16:35 GMT 10
Interesting.... I'd certainly put Entwistle first myself. Come to think of it, watching the music video for Face To Face, and I can't help but think that Pete Townshend looks like Paul Keating if he became a musician lol. As for your round, the first song is just a Well Then and the third is kinda meh IMO. Going with the second, as it's enjoyable enough despite being dated and cheesy. Speaking of 80s cheese, let's take an European Vacation with these songs:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 21:38:22 GMT 10
Well the middle one is actually intended to be dated and cheesy, not actually being made in the 80s. Will respond to your match later.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 18:19:19 GMT 10
Going for Dr. John, even though the track doesn't do much for me it's better than the rest and still Dr. John so. Anyways, anyone who knows me knows my love for intentionally cringe worthy british humour, a style rarely handled well by other countries IMO. I've of course inflicted this on BluesyThug who has grown to love it. We've already covered Peep Show in every capacity we possibly could. Let's compare the rest:
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Post by BluesyThug on Sept 22, 2017 19:14:02 GMT 10
Going with The Office, which has possibly the most British theme song ever.... the Inbetweeners one is kinda meh, and the Alan Partridge one is just a well then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 14:54:22 GMT 10
I don't like the versions by Bobby Darrin, Boys Town Gang or Maureeen McGovern but I do quite like the Easybeats version, the Heath Ledger version and think the Curb Your Enthusiasm clips are absolutely hilarious. Most of these are mediocre honestly, but i'm gonna have to give it to Frankie Valli.
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Post by BluesyThug on Sept 24, 2017 15:16:47 GMT 10
Both versions are very good, though I have to go with the original - just think it had a lot more balls to it.... now, for songs that won Academy Awards in the 70s.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 15:31:28 GMT 10
I've got to admit the carpenters have grown on me. Yes they're cheesy, yes they're saccharine, yes they're empty with absolutely nothing to say under the surface. However Karen has an excellent voice and the organ on this track or whatever that weird piano thing is definitely has a unique flavour to it. I won't act like i'm loading them onto my phone anytime soon or going out and buying their CDs, and if I was around in the 70s i'd probably hate them. However the dated vibes definitely is nice in a "of it's time" way and I don't think they're that bed. Also any film that uses "Close to You" is a sad romantic scene is bound to get everyone in the audience to feel something, even if they don't like the song much. It's just one of those tracks. I'm not going for that though, just wanted to say my piece on it. Shaft is awesome in a ridiculous kind of way and I always enjoyed The Poseidon Adventure and think this slightly morbid song in context of the film captures a slightly uncomfortable paranoia. However i'm not sure that was intended and out of context the song is just kind of eh. Now what i'm about to say will annoy the hell out of my father if he ever reads it but Streisand is LAME. Good singer, completely uninteresting artist. But it's that came carpenters thing it's ultimately harmless. I can see why a child of the 70s would enjoy "The Way We Were". Doesn't do much for me though. Same goes for Maureen McGovern though it does kind of make me a smile in a cheesy uplifting way. The synth notes actually made me laugh when I first heard them. Anyways Shaq it is.
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Post by BluesyThug on Sept 30, 2017 16:40:59 GMT 10
Agreed overall with you on the Carpenters and Streisend. I'd also pick Shaft, though I really like The Morning After as well.... as for your round, not a fan of either song, but I guess I'll go with Ugly Kid Joe. Now, the biggest hit singles from 1962 to 1967
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 15:43:34 GMT 10
A Whiter Shade of Pale wins for being a song I couldn't tell you the meaning of (a meaning which could for all I know being juvenile and dull) but that musically is so hauntingly beautiful it has to be in the top echelon of most profoundly moving songs i've ever heard. As atheistic satanist and journalist Gavin Baddely said in the excellent documentary Metal: A Headbanger's Journey, it shows that "perhaps how you feel is just as important, if not more important than how you think". The song moves me in all the right ways. A close second would be Satisfaction as it is without a doubt some of the best straight ahead sleazy rock music ever made. It accomplishes the very primal, simplistic fun that it sets out to do just as well as the more questioning musical adventurousness of Whiter Shade of Pale. Both songs are different and I prefer what Procol Harum did but ultimately they're just as good for different reasons. After that i'd rank it as the two Beatles songs (regardless of their historical significance they're just great songs) particularly I Wanna Hold Your Hand, then Elvis then Sinatra. For the record I don't think there's a bad song on here. That said my favourite Sinatra song from the 60s is still the very first Sinatra song I remember hearing and probably the closest he ever came to rock and roll. That's Life. Might as well throw it in the next round:
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Post by BluesyThug on Oct 9, 2017 15:51:32 GMT 10
Damn, I really like this Sinatra song - never would have guessed that it was him. Still, have to go with Deep Purple here. Great song. Now for a round I think you'll really enjoy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 16:44:11 GMT 10
This is a well then. I guess i'll give it top the twist which is bad but has it's dated charm to it. The Fat Boys were bad but even though Whiplash makes The Beach Boys, a great band look bad, it makes The Fat Boys look bad and they weren't even good to begin with. That's how lame it is. Summer of Love is even worse. That song sounds like Donald Trump wanted to make a song about pussygrabbing but got told to censor himself a bit by the studio. It's abhorrent. Now that I included That's Life which I was introduced to as a wee lad by the video game Tony Hawk's Underground 2, I think I should play a few other favourites from that outstanding soundtrack:
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Post by BluesyThug on Oct 10, 2017 15:20:02 GMT 10
Quite easily The Doors.... there are other Johnny Cash and Ramones songs I prefer, not that either are bad or anything. Don't care for the last two tracks at all though. Typical 90s rock - though I could be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 14:18:59 GMT 10
Those typical 90s rock songs are actually two of the best punk songs of the 70s you fucking moron. In all seriousness what the fuck is your round lol. I guess i'll pick We All Stand Together because at least it is just so bizarre but both songs are terrible.
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Post by BluesyThug on Oct 15, 2017 15:01:07 GMT 10
These songs aren't bad at all, even if they're not the sort of music I'd listen to anytime soon. Going with Stiff Little Fingers, because I quite like the fast energy and tightness of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 17:45:37 GMT 10
Leader of the Pack for me. Now for some prime dark comedy.
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Post by BluesyThug on Oct 16, 2017 17:20:58 GMT 10
That was a well then round.... guess I'll go for the Irish one as I enjoyed that the most.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 19:25:29 GMT 10
FFS, couldn't you have at least picked a Bizkit song I knew so I could get this awful round over and done with. Will respond later.
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Post by BluesyThug on Nov 2, 2017 14:45:29 GMT 10
FFS, couldn't you have at least picked a Bizkit song I knew so I could get this awful round over and done with. Will respond later. I'm waiting....
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